Zapis stenograficzny (1531) 225. posiedzenie Komisji Ustawodawstwa i PrawoU]GQRFL w dniu 25 listopada 2004 r.

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1 ISSN SENAT RZECZYPOSPOLITEJ POLSKIEJ Zapis stenograficzny (1531) 225. posiedzenie Komisji Ustawodawstwa i PrawoU]GQRFL w dniu 25 listopada 2004 r. V kadencja

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13 w dniu 25 listopada 2004 r. Sekretarz Komisji Kodyfikacyjnej Prawa Cywilnego SU]\ 0LQLVWU]H 6SUDZLHGOLZRFL Robert =HJDGáR -D SRZLHP W\ONR MHGQR ]GDQLH 3RGZyMQH ]DSU]HF]HQLH QLH MHVW ]E\W SRSUDZQ konvwuxnfm ORJLF]Q D REHFQLH WD VDPD WUHü MHVW Z\UD*RQD SR]\W\ZQLH $OH WR MHVW ]XSHáQLH FR LQQHJR Z\FKRG]LP\ RG LQQHM ]DVDG\ 7HUD] ZáDFLZLH Z\MWNLHP EG]LH SU]\MFLH VNDUJL NDVDF\MQHM MH*HOL EG]LH RQD RF]\ZLFLH X]DVDGQLo- QD 6G QLH UR]SDWU]\ VNDUJL ER MHGHQ VG]LD ]GHF\GXMH *H RQD QLH MHVW X]DVDGQLRQD i IRUD ]H GZRUD 1R SURV] SDVWZD Senator Zbigniew Romaszewski: 2Q PR*H SR SURVWX MHM QLH ]UR]XPLHü DOER QLH EG]LH GOD QLHJR RF]\ZLVWH *H RQD jest uzasadniona, i to wystarczy do odrzucenia skargi. 1R WDN ER WX RQ MHGHQ GHF\GXMH QLNW VL RG WHJR QLH RGZRáXMH 3DQRZLH Qa- SUDZG SU]HVDG]DFLH ] W Z\JRG GOD 6GX 1DMZ\*V]HJR (Senator Zbigniew Romaszewski: Nie, nie, no, bez przesady, bez przesady.) (Senator Anna Kurska: Jednoosobowo.) 3URV] EDUG]R 3DQLH 6G]LR MDN SDQ WR X]DVDGQL" «SU]\Mü WHQ DUJXPHQW GODWHJR *H PR*H U]HF]\ZLFLH WR MHVW SUREOHP 0\O *H SDQ VHQDWRU VSHFMDOLVWD Z QDXNDFK FLVá\FK F]XMH VL OHSLHM RGH PQLH Z WHM SUREOe- PDW\FH 2Wy* REHFQD IRUPXáD WHJR SU]HSLVX MHVW WDND *H 6G 1DMZ\*V]\ PR*H RGPó- ZLü SU]\MFLD VNDUJL MH*HOL QLH Z\VWSXMH LVWRWQH ]DJDGQLHQLH SUDZQH D SU]\MPXMH M MH*HOL WDNLH ]DJDGQLHQLH Z\VWSXMH $ ZLF MHVW RERZL]HN 7DN *H QLH LVWQLHMH SRWU]HED Z\NáDGQL 6G PR*H RGPyZLü Senator Robert Smoktunowicz: 3DQLH 6G]LR MD VL ]JDG]DP FR GR SLHUZV]\FK WU]HFK SXQNWyZ DOH U]HF]\ZLFLH RVWDWQLH VIRUPXáRZDQLH«3RSU]HGQLH RGPyZLHQLH SU]\MFLD VNDUJL MH*HOL RQD MHVW EHz- ]DVDGQD L REHFQH SU]\MFLH VNDUJL MH*HOL RQD MHVW X]DVDGQLRQD WR U]HF]\ZLFLH QLHER i ziemia. Co do poprzednich SU]HSLVyZ VL ]JDG]DP 7XWDM MHGQDN U]HF]\ZLFLH URELP\ z SU]HGVGX SUDZLH ILQDOQH RU]HF]enie. -D SURSRQXM SRZUyFLü GR IRUPXá\ *H Z SU]HGVG]LH PR*QD RGU]XFLü NDVDFM a QLH M SU]\Mü 1531/V 11

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